Absolutely, I agree with you. Handling is a huge part of performance in my book too. I should have mentioned that but I'm glad I didn't because you worded it better than I could have.
Opinions regarding the soon to be available Harley Electric Livewire motorcycle
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Maybe they are doing something right, because it is the first HD I have actually been interested in within the range of my memory... I give them credit for trying something different and trying to expand their customer base, but I don't think they are going to get too far towards reaching that goal.
You could say the market falls into three categories: Traditional HD Customers/Supporters, Other riders that are not HD oriented, and the general public that doesn't ride now. I think they run the risk of alienating their current customer base if they appear to be caving in to the green movement and will hear comments like "That's not a REAL Harley". By the long-time Harley fans, this bike and its owners will be shunned. Other riders may not give it a chance because it IS a Harley and/or they dont want to associate with the traditional HD image and culture. As far as adopting the general public and getting them to ride, they might have some luck using their name and image to do that, but I doubt that it will be in large enough numbers to make the bike a big success.
Would I buy one for 14K? No, because the thing will probably depreciate massively. Would I buy a used one for less than half of that? I might. I would probably have to ride it and see what it feels like. Most of my riding is less than 100 miles a day, so the range isn't really an issue for me. For back and forth to work or around town, that's enough. If I want to go further, I can ride something else.
You could say the market falls into three categories: Traditional HD Customers/Supporters, Other riders that are not HD oriented, and the general public that doesn't ride now. I think they run the risk of alienating their current customer base if they appear to be caving in to the green movement and will hear comments like "That's not a REAL Harley". By the long-time Harley fans, this bike and its owners will be shunned. Other riders may not give it a chance because it IS a Harley and/or they dont want to associate with the traditional HD image and culture. As far as adopting the general public and getting them to ride, they might have some luck using their name and image to do that, but I doubt that it will be in large enough numbers to make the bike a big success.
Would I buy one for 14K? No, because the thing will probably depreciate massively. Would I buy a used one for less than half of that? I might. I would probably have to ride it and see what it feels like. Most of my riding is less than 100 miles a day, so the range isn't really an issue for me. For back and forth to work or around town, that's enough. If I want to go further, I can ride something else.
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No thanks...Everybody rides a Harley...
Let's all stick to our Italian Heritage here!!!!
I'd rather wait till one of these badass mammy jamma's to come out.
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Let's all stick to our Italian Heritage here!!!!
I'd rather wait till one of these badass mammy jamma's to come out.
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Interesting, I want to propose the same question regarding the Livewire but using a hypothetical Ducati Electric bike.No thanks...Everybody rides a Harley...
Let's all stick to our Italian Heritage here!!!!
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Lets just say that the Livewire was made by Ducati, AND it handled awesome like a sport bike, AND obviously it would be styled like an exotic italian super bike, and it cost $16K new but only had a range of 100 miles.
ANY TAKERS ?? just wondering..... say for this argument or proposition we leave the "Harley" brand out of the equation.
what about Ducati pure electric, $16K price, 100 mile range, great looks, great handling.
ANY opinions ? I am so curious, let me know your thoughts.
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^^^^^
w/only 100 mile round-trip range, at almost $20k price point...just not practical for the average bear.
Heck, an electric bicycle/moped/scooter has over 100 mile range!
w/only 100 mile round-trip range, at almost $20k price point...just not practical for the average bear.
Heck, an electric bicycle/moped/scooter has over 100 mile range!
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I might. Because with HD I probably wasn't getting great looks (IMO) and definitely not getting great handling. A Ducati with more torque and practically zero maintenance costs and probably better reliability would be interesting.
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Even if it was a Ducati, 100 mile range is too short. Unless I'm commuting to work I rarely find myself riding less than 150-200 miles on a typical ride
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In regard to electric motorbikes......
How bout this twin gyroscopic ally controlled motorbike with +200 mile range?
A high performance two wheeled cager electric motorbike that maintains stationary balance???? Say it isn't so!....
The technology is here folks! Someday in near future....Next on Bucket List? "Keep breathing".
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How bout this twin gyroscopic ally controlled motorbike with +200 mile range?
A high performance two wheeled cager electric motorbike that maintains stationary balance???? Say it isn't so!....
The technology is here folks! Someday in near future....Next on Bucket List? "Keep breathing".
http://techcracks.co...-by-lit-motors/
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If it does what they claim, and has decent range and recharge time - or maybe even quick-change battery packs - it could be a big winner. It pushes me to revise my conception of Kymco as a maker of cheap scooters. It looks like it may be rather small for American bodies, but if it were to fit me, I'd be a potential customer.
If well-balanced and not too heavy, it could be a compelling track bike.
I wonder why other makes do not already have the stoppie control that is part of the FEP package.
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They announced price- $30k
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html#intcmp_HP_BB1_livewire
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html#intcmp_HP_BB1_livewire
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Nope, nope and nope. Expect half the distance mileage available once you get ham fisted....and you will. Also cold weather will reduce, I know I have electric vehicles. Also have you seen level 3 charging availability anywhere? So level 2 is as slow as level 1 charging? That's crap. And at 30k, this will be a big loser for HD and the buyer. Can't wait for Kymco to show up. Sorry Harley, you shot the pooch on this one.
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OMFG.........starting at $30K.....H-D has totally screwed this up. They say 110 mile range. They're promoting as a sport performance bike so more realistically you can cut that range by half. So basically in any fair sized city you can go across town but you can't get back without recharging and recharging (if you can find a place to recharge with the proper connection) will be a few hours before you can head back. I actually like the looks of this bike and I believe the future of motorcycling is electric, but the future will not be with H-D leading the way. H-D will be following...way way at the back of the pack or more likely out of the running. They can sit back and watch Zero, Energica, Evoke, Lightning, BMW, etc., almost any and all motorcycle manufacturers do it better and proper.
Like I said, I like the styling and the visual look of the LiveWire. One thing H-D is good at is the cosmetic appearance of their product, lipstick on a pig as they say, so to speak. The Live Wire does have an annoying whine to it when operating. I guess the wombats at H-D figured it should do that. Idiots. I'm hoping that can be disabled or shut off.
Anyway, this will be a total loser for H-D.
Time to dump any Harley Stock ASAP !!
I think the management at Harley needs to have mandatory drug testing put in place to have the management screened for drug use. Only on opiates would anyone think this bike won't fail/bomb/crash/lose.
Who is the Loser/idiot Harley employee who green lighted the production of the Live wire at $30K ? and with ONLY 100 mile range ?
I dare ANYONE to buy this bike and ride it without a "kick- me, I'm Stupid" sign on their back.
It is gonna be SO FUNNY to walk into EVERY Harley dealership showroom and look at the unsold new 4 year old Livewires sitting all unsold, 4 years later with their price tags marked down to $20K !!
This is gonna be so exciting and interesting to see HOW BAD or NON-EXISTANT sales will (not) be.
The dealers are gonna eat this sour bomb. Talk about a total FAILURE !!
Should have called it the Harley Deadsel-wire (After the Ford Failure Edsel) , or better yet the DEADwire.
I think the management at Harley needs to have mandatory drug testing put in place to have the management screened for drug use. Only on opiates would anyone think this bike won't fail/bomb/crash/lose.
Who is the Loser/idiot Harley employee who green lighted the production of the Live wire at $30K ? and with ONLY 100 mile range ?
I dare ANYONE to buy this bike and ride it without a "kick- me, I'm Stupid" sign on their back.
It is gonna be SO FUNNY to walk into EVERY Harley dealership showroom and look at the unsold new 4 year old Livewires sitting all unsold, 4 years later with their price tags marked down to $20K !!
This is gonna be so exciting and interesting to see HOW BAD or NON-EXISTANT sales will (not) be.
The dealers are gonna eat this sour bomb. Talk about a total FAILURE !!
Should have called it the Harley Deadsel-wire (After the Ford Failure Edsel) , or better yet the DEADwire.
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Wonder if the $30K includes chaps and handlebar tassels?
I would be willing to even pay up to $17K ( since Zero electric motorbikes are at that price point) but ONLY with a range of 150 miles. The 0-60 is not a huge decision killer, but I would have guessed it would have been better/faster regardless.
This bike is a total Joke.This bike should have been delayed for release until April 1st....a more appropriate reveal date. ( April Fools)
Harley will lose tons of money on every one TRY to sell. What a product development money pit.
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Meh, according to the CEO of Harley Davidson, they don't sell motorcycles, they sell a "lifestyle"......I guess since more and more people are rejecting the lifestyle they were peddling, they're shifting focus and trying to target the hipster, vegan, ****, salad eating, millennial generation.
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