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just a related question, what do you guys use to "lift" the bike without a rear stand, I mean to free totally the rear shock (the Under T front lift releases well the pressure on ythe fork, but for REAR, any solution ?)
Seems mine is done...
I used my Bursig stand, plus a scissor jack as an extra set of hands to fine tune the swing arm position during the operation. Photos here: http://www.diavel-fo...post__p__877018
 

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You also could rig a hoist from the rafters, or use an engine lift.
 

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Abba stands are good for this.

Before they existed I used webbing straps (secured from roof beams to multiple points on the frame) and some axle jacks or a hydraulic cruiser lift ender the frame rails / engine.

Don't risk perching your bike on something without tying off both sides of the bike to arrest it if it falls! ;)
 

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How is a bearing exposed to road elements in such a shitty location not have:
1) Seals? The tiniest band of rubber around the perimeter of the ball where it meets the race would make a ton of difference
2) Grease access?

As Reid mentioned, what is with Europeans' adversity to antiseize? One application lasts a long time. First brake job on my wife's ML necessitated a 5-ton puller to get the rotors off, but after a healthy dose of high-temp waterproof antiseize they literally fell off once the retaining screw was removed.

I'm going to look around for this bearing, I have to find weird parts for a living. If I dig anything up I will post.
 

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How is a bearing exposed to road elements in such a shitty location not have:
1) Seals? The tiniest band of rubber around the perimeter of the ball where it meets the race would make a ton of difference
2) Grease access?

As Reid mentioned, what is with Europeans' adversity to antiseize? One application lasts a long time. First brake job on my wife's ML necessitated a 5-ton puller to get the rotors off, but after a healthy dose of high-temp waterproof antiseize they literally fell off once the retaining screw was removed.

I'm going to look around for this bearing, I have to find weird parts for a living. If I dig anything up I will post.
I've not seen any with the seals you describe, and I think that would interfere with the range of motion needed for many applications (though not our Diavel). Anyway, the eBay listing I linked on the previous page is no longer available, but here is a current one for what it's worth: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-new-GEBJ16S-Spherical-Plain-Radial-Bearing-16x32x21mm-/111642089175?hash=item19fe6316d7
 

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I've checked with a few of my industrial suppliers, and scanned a bunch of supplier listings like ***, INA & SKF... the sealed versions do exist, as well as greasable and heavy-duty, but almost all are with 15 or 17mm IDs, or the 16mm ID with a 30mm or 28mm OD. One of the better manufacturers, Schaeffler, has one for $320, so I would defer to looking at load ratings to compare. The problem is that the "self-lubricating" PTFE-lined ones that come on the bike don't handle nearly the load that an all metal one can, it would just need a good packing of waterproof grease at install. If there is a possibility of turning down the pivot pin, or milling out the bearing bore, you might be able to install one that would never fail again.

I've made a living out of re-engineering OEM parts over to stronger/cheaper/easier to source on industrial equipment from all over the world.. this would be no different. Sometimes production limitations overrule smart applications and these kind of simple failures are the result. There is always a better way. My limit for repairing something is twice before I try something different- what's that quote: "the definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"
 

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Just came back from misano on my 2012 with now 12k on clock.......

Squeaking from rear, been with dealer now for a week, bearings either worn and loose or as with the rest the rose one was siezed, luckily got it off without having to cut swing arm
but one of the rose/bush/ bearing on the actual shock has failed, you can't buy them fron Ducati so it's been sent off to a suspension company to press new ones in, hopefully bike back next week, £600 bill so far


I've emailed Ducati and have had reply that it's been passed on to after sales manager, so fingers crossed
 

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Rose joint is a much better name than bearing thingy.
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Hi Guys, just bought mine and best thing since sliced bread! Awesome!

I have used the link above and ordered the new rose joint but I'm told it can cost £500 to fit?

Is it hard to do DIY? If anyone has done it themselves could you please do a walk through?

Thank you
 

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Looking at the diagram it looks fairly simple to remove so I must be missing something?
It is fairly simple - if you have the right tools, and if nothing goes wrong, such as a seized screw. It is a press-fit bearing, so don't expect it to just fall out into your hand. If you don't know how to remove and install such bearings, seek expert help. And, BTW, 500 pounds is a very high charge for this job... unless something goes wrong. It's been a while since I did mine, but I think it took me no more than 90 minutes.
 

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Another rose joint - in the process of replacing it. My Gen 1 Diavel Strada has done just over 22,000 Kms. I'm glad I pulled the rose joint out as it was just about to go rogue.

The joint was still tight but full of grit from road dirt - and I do ride my bike in all weather conditions and often two-up and with luggage. The Teflon liner had disintegrated meaning that the bearing was beginning to show signs of wear/movement. Getting to the rose joint is relatively straight forward - and thanks to other members for their ace instructions.
 

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New to diavel ownerships , brought a 2011 carbon model with 6500 miles the went on a 2000 mile trip through France to the mountains played there then back home 500 odd miles from home the rose bush went !!! anyway got home (slowly) went to change the offending bush !!! Off cause it was diesel trued all the tricks no she was not coming out !!! Read this tread and the thought/cost of replacing the swingarm didn't sit well ,, so took the swingarm to a local machine shop chap I know and asked if he could drill it out with a 16 mm drill which is the size of the bolt so not touching the swingarm itself and the make a new shaft with the tread on the outside , which they have now done and what a result £300 lot cheeper than a new swingarm and taken no strength from the arm , I have just picked it up and look a great bit of work and once I get home will take it apart to inspect better but pretty confident! I'll take photos and post as I think this could be a good option
 

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Rose joint is a much better name than bearing thingy.
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Had the same problem caused when I landed after being airborne going a bit too fast on a rough road. It handled badly after that and ended up scraping much more than it should. I think it happened about 70,000km and I replaced the whole suspension with Ohlins and never had any trouble for the 30,000km+ since.

Here is the old thread: https://www.diavel-forum.com/index.php?/topic/44170-check-back-bearing-around-70000km/page__p__673642__hl__+wahoo%20+bearing__fromsearch__1#entry673642
 
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